Philadelphia v2.0 has me worried...

Sure thing ScottL. Hope those guys don't take it the wrong way.

I just wanted to add the following; it is a modification of what I'll call the Friedman Hypothesis.

Stanton Friedman, as all listeners know, has suggested that the explosion (ahem) of nuclear research into fissile reactions in the USA in the 1940's was an identifiable 'calling card' that drew the attention of an unknown, physical, embodied, biological interstellar race, one that apparently travels in saucer-shaped craft, some of which were involved in a series of airspace incursions, military intercepts and at least one apparent shootdown/crash, which we know as the Roswell Incident (July 1947).

Mr Friedman's background was - tellingly - nuclear fission.

By that, I'm not suggesting anything more than the fact that nuclear fission was the biggest, most sumptuous scientific feast of the mid-twentieth century. If you were an intelligent, scientific guy (not too many girls in this club, despite Curie), and interested in (say) doing research that would attract the kind of funding that makes it possible to even envisage strategic aircraft that could stay, without refueling, up for durations of weeks or more, than atomic research was the party to attend.

What's missing from the picture is the news (I won't use the word 'fact' at this point) that Nazi Germany had already done research into fission-based reactions, had built one reactor pile (at least, even if it was miscalibrated), was preparing to manufacture weapons-appropriate plutonium in sufficient quantities to plan upon developing a nuclear device (although their calculations were faulty regarding their needs re quantity). Paired with their breakthrough, production-line, slave-assembled intercontinental ballistic missile capability (the supersonic V2) they were theoretically approaching the point where they could deliver atomics to London, and - if one takes into account the prop-driven German ultra-long-range bombers (and possibly some of the long-range flying-wing turbojet designs) - even New York city.

It is not difficult to see, even with this cursory coverage, that the lion's share of strategic military technologies in use through the latter half of the twentieth century - and into the twenty-first - are a direct consequence of these German innovations. Our strategic options are refinements, not innovations.

Let's imagine, for a moment, that Friedman's Hypothesis is only partially correct, however.

Imagine a scenario, whereby atomic fission (or fusion) is a sideshow.

The ability to create a chain reaction and produce what is essentially a more potent explosive - or under less dramatic circumstances, a more potent kettle - may, in fact, not be the crowning achievement and key technological 'calling card' of the human twentieth century.

Atomic bombs, at least to 3D+1 creatures like us, are hard to miss. And, so, we take careful note of them, in part because they are the ultimate extravert technology. Light, heat, noise, shockwaves, radioactivity, and birth defects for generations to come. (In effect, atomics are to science what hard rock is to music. Big, loud, exhilarating, and rather scary. Watch some nuke footage if you doubt me.)

Problem is, there are researchers who are apparently uncovering information which indicates that - as far as the military planners of the Third Reich were concerned - their fledgling atomic weapon programme was not the #1 item in their arsenal of superweapons. (This may explain why the German atomic program was subdivided, and a portion of it given - according to Wikipedia - to the German Post Office.)

Scalar physics, vorticular (fluidic) physics, contra-rotated potentially-radioactive ferrofluids, gravitational and temporal disruption; these are some of the alleged characteristics of this line of supressed research, according to people like Nick Cook and Joseph P. Farrell, among others.

So;

- the alleged date of PE1 was October 1943.

- the date of the first U.S. atomic atmospheric test (Trinity) was July 1945.

- it has been alleged that Germany may have achieved some form of atmospheric atomic detonation, at Thüringia, also in 1945. (A German scientist, Von Weizsäcker, apparently patented the plutonium bomb in 1941. Another, Kurt Diebner, apparently was developing a novel combined fission/fusion weapon that employed both conventional and atomic explosive principles.)

- Kenneth Arnold's alleged Mount Ranier UFO sighting was in June 1947.

- alleged European 'foo-fighter' UFO activity was reported throughout the mid-1940's.

- the Roswell incident allegedly occurred in July 1947.

Is it possible that the ramp-up in UFO phenomena in the closing years of the Second World War, and explosion of this activity in the post-war period, was a result of something other than atomic research?

Could PE1 have played some part in this, assuming it actually occurred?

And (for the hard-core lovers of high strangeness) what are we to make of the ultrabizarre alleged 1918 contact between occultist Aleister Crowley and the interdimensional being 'Lam' who 'arrived' via a 'portal' or 'rent' into our world, created by Crowley in 1918, before being 'enlarged' by Jet Propulsion Lab founder Jack Parsons, and Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard in 1946?

I thought that Parsons and Hubbard were behind another working around that time unrelated to Lam (the Babalon working). Or are you equating the Babalon and Alamantrah workings in terms of the type of entity contacted?

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The Doctor [412/724/301/703]
Antarctica Starts Here.

Hi Doc,

I'm certainly no expert on the history of the various magical (majikal?) workings of Crowley et. al. but I'm also conscious of the fact that there are people who do draw parallels between these - ordinarily - separated worlds of the occult and the UFO-related.

The question of the 'truth' of belief in the various forms of the occult is not the point, in any case: from an independent perspective, it is the coordinating elements of such beliefs which can shed light on many aspects of human nature. Group psychology, etc.

My understanding (which may be faulty, naturally) is that there was some degree of self-conscious intention on the part of Parsons and Hubbard that they felt they were involved in a past working which was instigated by Crowley. Since these are matters occult, rather than scientific, or legal, then such a link is never going to be proved or disproved, I imagine.

The question remains, however; why are a rocket scientist and a science fiction writer (and future cult leader) out in the desert at the close of WWII performing rituals intended to synch with the work of one of the 'most notorious men in history'?

This piece of 'high strangeness' is not the centreline of my thinking, on this point, in any event.

It's just not strange enough, for my liking.

Rather, as discussed, let's imagine for a moment that atomics may not be the only 'calling card' for any and all hypothetical observing extraterrestrial and/or multidimensional entities. (Who else is suddenly reminded of that Star Trek film where the presence of a working warp-drive was the trigger for first contact from those safe, nice, rather geeky Vulcans?)

In short, did PE1 constitute a misconfigured 'warp-drive' which announced its presence across space and time?

Could a PE2 do this, and more?

Who wants to find out?

...there are people who do draw parallels between these - ordinarily - separated worlds of the occult and the UFO-related.

Understandably so. A number of people have described parallels between UFO-related experiences and shamanic/initiatory experiences (such as travelling down white tunnels/through white-lit corridors and encountering odd-looking entities that act as guides or teachers in some situations). Now that I think of it, there are also similarities between the incorporation of a mystic object during a shamanic initiation and the phenomenon of implants found in alien abductees. There are also some parallels between the so-called 'Oz factor' of encounters with unidentified objects (sudden silence in an area, anomalous animals or voices) and some of the aftershocks of high ritual (anomalous voices that everyone but those involved hear or seeing animals in unexpected places).

..there was some degree of self-conscious intention on the part of Parsons and Hubbard that they felt they were involved in a past working which was instigated by Crowley..

From the Thelemic perspective, everything that they did which involved the Thelemic cosmology assembled by Crowley, et al. were continuations of Crowley's workings which initiated the 93 current. They had different aims and outcomes but were connected by the beliefs of the practitioners.

...why are a rocket scientist and a science fiction writer (and future cult leader) out in the desert at the close of WWII performing rituals intended to synch with the work of one of the 'most notorious men in history'?

If you are asking about their motivations and intended eventual goals, then I cannot speculate. If you are asking in a more general sense, then they were attempting to change the nature of the world as everyone knew it by incarnating (at least a portion of) Babalon in a human vessel. They were attempting to rework the fabric of reality by bring that cluster of concepts and ideas out of noospace and into the rest of the world as it was known so that it could act directly. The inner workings of everything were to be changed.

It is anyone's guess as to whether or not they really changed the course of history with these workings. One could build a list of many things going on in the world today which can be said to correspond to the ideas making up the entities they worked with.

Whether or not they actually worked toward the goal of getting off the Wheel and into the next world/universe/plane/dimension/whatever you wish to call it can really only be answered by the participants, and their remains are silent on the matter. <smile>

In short, did PE1 constitute a misconfigured 'warp-drive' which announced its presence across space and time? Could a PE2 do this, and more?

Assuming that the Philadelphia Experiment actually happened... then yes, I think that it could. If one starts hammering at the fabric of energies and connections underlying fourspace, that fabric is going to thrash in more than just the location that the apparatus would be focussed upon, and anyone or anything that is monitoring that structure would sit up and take notice.

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The Doctor [412/724/301/703]
Antarctica Starts Here.

Hey Doc,

Thanks for the intel on those various occult workings. That is quite a can of worms.

One thing that comes (incompletely-formed) to mind is the fact that consensus reality is the battleground of... well just about everyone, including politicians as well as magicians.

And if consensus reality is the aligned configuration of a group of human minds, based upon their sense perceptions, then one wonders if a quantum-level technology which convinces a group of people that they have been wormholed to some other part of the universe might actually effect this change in some actual, physical sense. This seems to be at the heart of so much seemingly-impossible shamanic reportage, after all.

Why waste time actually trying to marshall more energy than has ever existed since the big bang in order to drill a classic wormhole, when you can use the mind-matter interrelationship to reconfigure 'reality' the way you want it to be. Maybe all you need is subscribers to your version of 'reality.'

And that would explain a few things about our world, also...

...consensus reality is the battleground of... well just about everyone...

It is.

Any conscious entity on the planet that formulates a plan of action that will change the world around them can be argued to be working magick. Magick is using intention to focus one's will and bring about a change. Teachers who love kids and impart to them knowledge that they will use as part of their lives are magickians. Ph.D's who spend years in school studying and teaching and learning about one specific subject because of their passion for it and their need to add to the incredible volumes of information about it, be it Renaissance art, medicine, or mathematics are magickians. Politicians who wheel and deal for favours and votes, write laws, and change the lives of the people whom they represent are magickians.

That is an excellent question. It reminds me of a story I once heard about a group of people who figured out how to use guided visualisations, entheogenic drugs, and biofeedback apparatus to slip into a different/parallel universe to set up an encampment (the Incunabula Papers, which the person behind it later admitted was a reality hack and a hoax). I wonder if anyone has actually attempted to do such a thing...

Why not, indeed? A wise man once said that reality as we know it is the result of dozens of shamens fighting to a deadlock.

Have you ever visited a commune or a TAZ?

Assuming that the original Philadelphia Experiment went as described, do you think it mattered that the crew of the ship had any idea that they'd slip into another dimension and not become invisible?

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The Doctor [412/724/301/703]
Antarctica Starts Here.