Them veilpiercing hyjinks....

You've got a point, there, Elmer. Any person foolhardy enough to even attempt to read any of my posts out loud risks lockjaw.

Still, if it's actually an efficient way to get the info across...

You didn't raise any issue swith the issues I raised so I assume you have no other issues?

i agree with everything you had said actually and am with yuh on Brians work theres to much that can interfere with walkie talkies and also phones to think its a being speaking to you.

I'm posting this at the end of my 'hyjinks' forumpage because I don't like the way people can respond out-of-context to postings. Anyone posting anything new here, please do it below so it makes some kind of sense.

Firstly Brian, thanks for the contact, and the proposal, which I'll think about. I'm conscious - however - that any audio wierdness during any skype-style voip call bridge is going to be difficult to control and anomalies will be siezed upon by the usual suspects. Also, I would assume that you would reverse all my speech to reveal that I worship the devil. Or don't worship the devil. Or wonly worship him on Tuesdays, or whatever.

What I would like to suggest, however, that public debate is often more about emotional demagoguery rather than cold, quiet, fact. You only have to check out cspan for that (and I'm sure you have, with reversals).

Keep in mind, Brian, that I don't dislike you, and I appreciate what you - may - be bringing to the campfire, and that it might not make complete scientific sense all the time and so on. But much of this process is about filtering what is examined and where it came from, and why, and the motivations of the participants, etc. And there's a lot of noise in your signal, so to speak, which you can clean up if you want. (This has been discussed before, and I won't go over it again.)

On a personal note, I've not produced any EVP or ITC result to my knowledge, but have not dabbled much AFAIK. However, I am open to the idea that there may be a - protentially very important - phenomenon being recorded here, and I want to have the good intel if possible.

Take care, Brian, keep cool and give us best-case stuff that can't be criticised, and you may make history, if that's important to you. And, maybe like many of us, what you're doing may only be recognised in the future, if at all.

Best of luck with the work stuff, and the normalisation of lifestyle stuff.

I guess I've developed a tolerance for forum dancing at this point. I'll see about personal evolution as required for this stuff if I find myself inspired in the longterm to do so....

I can tell you all one thing... there are a few levels I'd be havin to master to get to the point where I could be obvious in my delivery, and in doing so, may connect with a smaller percentage anyway.. maybe I was rushing myself... ?? maybe it's something else... Too many questions... one thing for sure, I've got a LOT of work to do.

Yes Max, please do consider having that phone call with me.. and you are definitely right that I would reverse analyze it.. but all that silly talk about me looking for devil worship nonsense isn't realistic to me in my serious experience with that very real function of human speech. Actually, I think I'm pretty good at being open to what is actually wanting to be heard.. but enough about that for now...

Oh yeah, from what I read of your last post, you were concerned about your reply being out of context in this thread with your previously named post in which I'd replied to. I am surprised that with your vast presence all upon this forum, that you appear unaware of how to squeeze in right where you wanted to with a new one. If you notice, I did that last night. Well, maybe I got lucky, maybe I just tuned in.. Hmmmm ~ Could it be that we ALL have different personal perceptions and abilities when it comes to focus and applied connection ???

I honestly do appreciate your last post.... I didn't even feel slighted without your usual sarcastic essence, and esoteric references. One last thing, I don't really think " normalisation " as you've spelled it Max, is what is realistic,practical, or even an honest notion for me overall if I ever want to achieve anything of any great importance. What I intend to do is, whatever it takes to get to the point where I can rise above all the significant challenges and hurdles, which are unmistakenly in my way of decisively doing some VERY abnormal and phenomenal work !

Seriously....... thanks for the thoughtful comments !

Brian out ~

Hey Brian,

Have you read 'Valis' by Phil K. Dick at any point? If not, check it out maybe, and if you have already, check out the biogrphical info that we know about PKD pre-Valis and post-Valis.

BTW, in the intrests of normalisation or normalization or however one is meant to spell it, at some point the paranormal community needs to do an annual outdoor mid-day clambake and cake sale.

Next, I am still confused about 70% or so of wht you write, Brian, so if I don't pick up on every angle you assume I 'should' answer, write it up to that.

Lastly, I want to air a difficult question: let's imagine for a moment that after 100yrs of work, the post-scientific, post-paranormal community works out that EVP and ITC are actually 100% mundane, technical glitches on the part of the sound recording equipment makers, or operators, or that the HAARP project is beaming out Alaskan water-cooler talk thru Tesla's etheric flow, or whatever and EVERYONE is 100% convinced this is the case...

...what would it mean for your (not just Brian, but anyone reading this post, including me) belief system, cosmology, cosmogeny, world view, moral system, etc.?

In other words, if we remove ITC/EVP from the evidence table of our hypothetical Court Of Somewhat Rational Inquiry Into The Paranormal For Crying Out Loud, what difference does it make?

And lastly, a very wise (and sadly, very dead) man who ate a lot of mushrooms once said that the best question to ask belief-centred people was *not* "Why do you believe that?" but instead "Why do you believe *that* you believe that?"

Cut'n'paste links to try::

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terence_McKenna

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_K._Dick

and just in case
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Anton_Wilson

Max,
I want to speak with you live on a phone.. if you're unwilling to be recorded, then we won't! I am tired of this multiple blast off away from basic conversation that you insist on .. you are obviously an above average intellect.. but you lack sincerity from what I observe overall.. when you won't speak with me one on one !

what say you ? Post it here so it's on record !

Brian J.

Hello Brian,

If GhostlyTalk would be willing to host a short conversation about matters paranormal, and perhaps developing upon some of the ideas that have been presented in the past by myself, I'd be happy to chat. (GT likely has more important things to do with their time, but perhaps a short segment will be workable from their perspective.)

Your claim regarding my sincerity is irrelevant, from my perspective, because sincerity (as seen on any TV during the lead-up to any election) is cheap. It's facts that are expensive.

Some conditions and observations follow.

Anonymity will be necessary, for professional reasons, and personal questions unrelated to paranormal events and theories will be left unanswered. (As you may have guessed, Max Szabo is a pen-name.)

Timing is important. I am contacting this forum from outside mainland USA, and setting up the right time and connection may be an issue. From my perspective, a test call into GT would be required before the talk, to ensure the connection.

As a gesture of good faith, I would be happy to dial into GT internationally, which would avoid Skype-type problems.

As you know, I am not particularly interested in reversals or anomalous voices on phonelines, and would likely sign off fairly quickly if the conversation became padded, in this way or others. It's just too easy to introduce this kind of material into voice connections, as you know.

Any audio recordings made during the conversation would remain the property of GhostlyTalk - to release openly as they might choose - and the reversals you will invariably produce would need to be done with the permission of the GhostlyTalk crew, using their original, published files. Note that your results may be subjected to independent analysis, and any deviations will be noted. Subjective interpretations of sounds produced by such reversals would be exactly that, and dire prognostications based upon the same would simply produce further indications regarding your own motivational structures, and GhostlyTalk would have to make up their own minds about the republication of derived, reversal audio on their show, subsequently.

Lastly, I'm not selling a book, or even a position, so my motivations - to try to add community value through conversation and writing - are fairly clear. I'm not particulalry interested in 'proving you wrong'; firstly, since you tend to produce unfalsifiable arguments, and secondly because you are very emotionally invested in your work, to the point that any scientific validity in your work may already have been irrevocably compromised.

I'd suggest that the real question to ask yourself, going in, might be around your own motivations. Are you interested in gathering more audio material for your work, or in having a genuine conversation with another human being? I'd suggest that this might actually be an either/or question, as unfashionable as that might seem.

interested in having a mutual conversation with you in the context of the grace and generosity of Doug and ScottL, if they are willing. Your last post has very much impressed me in the sense of appreciating your genuine intellectual proposal. I'd also like to say at this time.. I am not concerned with reversing this.. I've been a bit frustrated with forum posting, as opposed to a live inteactive conversation.... it hits me now... for you and I to have such an exchange ( the live version ), in the presence of the G-talk audience, and moreover, archived for following guests to experience, is something I do believe is also in the blood and spirit of Doug and ScottL.

I am most eager to exchange verbalized thoughts with you this way ! I'm only wanting to reach truth in this process ! As far as my obvious emotional investment / motivations... in the path of focus, I've applied myself to in challenging mediumship.. I think and feel I've been shown in numerous ways, that this is required to comply with this enigmatic circuit.. this is thoughtfully based on my overall experience.. I'm certainly open to arguments against this concept !

Let's coordinate.. I'll alert the G-talk guys, and you do what you've posted... it sounds good to me.. maybe even feels good on deeper levels.. we'll have to see how things unfold... One thing we've got going for us... as far as I know... none of us are looking to be elected !

Thanks.... Brian

I hope this works out for you two. I'd like to hear the two of you talking.

Looking forward to it.

Hey Max and others... I did as I said I would do.. I wrote both Doug and ScottL last weekend letting them know I was game to finally have an interactive conversation with you ( Max ) within the framework of being guests of the G-Talk show for a short segment of doing so.. I have not heard back from either of them so far.

I don't know what the lack of reply means... I'll leave it at this point now. If anyone has anything to say to me, get ahold of me through my resting website : www.audiomedium.com.

I've got more than plenty going on, and not sure if I will bother with ITC again... If it turns out that I do.. I can promise you that if and when I have opportunity to be interviewed, I will address some of the judgmental postulations thrown at me by a couple of you here, because you represent a LOT of what I consider resistence along my path.... I do not plan to continue here with this painfully long and majorly drawn out disjointed lack of effectively flowing interaction here...

I'll try to get one basic point across one last time here... I am NOT looking to be part of the " paranormal community " that holds no notion of practicality for me. Everyone's got their own set of sensitivities, and obviously, their own biased agendas. Mine is, to put my abilities to real tests where beneficial results could be obtained, not to drag myself down wasting my time, efforts and energies to win the approval of others that are not even presenting evidence that they've earned or otherwise possess abilities in mediumship.

I also have asked for one other basic thing here more than once, yet not one direct reply ever occurred.. who else is obtaining results similar to what I've shared ? ( once again, I'd expect to hear the audio evidence ) I am NOT saying this to claim that I'm above everyone else.. my point was, where is this person, so I could see about talking with them as a step of growth....

How about someone answering this question ? Like I said, if you have something to say to me, write me directly.. I think I've had enough of this forum deal !

Thanks for the efforts folks !

Take care all !

Brian J.

“I also have asked for one other basic thing here more than once, yet not one direct reply ever occurred.. who else is obtaining results similar to what I've shared ? ( once again, I'd expect to hear the audio evidence ) … “

Your q assumes you’re getting the results you think you are getting. It presumes you're using a respectable method for differentiating btw imagined voices (like in your grains of sand, or guitar thing), and clear, easy to hear results that most people will hear independently of yours and others’ opinions.

There are plenty of people getting astounding results in ITC and EVP research. They just don’t need or want to be associated with the whole entertainment circus (I meant “circuit“ lol). And they see that a collection of spectacular evidence is much easier to attain than the structured investigation that must follow.

None of the experimenters I know (as far as I can tell) are interested in being diverted from their important work by taking on the responsibility of furthering someone else’s cause, or supporting an an antisocial.

Those I know are quietly working on their own experiments and will only present findings after comprehensive, rigorous tests yield results that are difficult to casually refute.

Breakthroughs in research will likely come from collective, cooperative efforts from several adventurous, stable team players who are open to accepting criticism from each other and growing toward success via methodical examination of their work / findings.

OMS,

I'm going to only focus on a couple of points with with... you have NEVER directed me to the audio evidence of these other great minds you speak of.. achieving results in itc.. I'm not saying that they are not.. but can you or can you not deliver on this basic request ?

As far as my " grains of sand " .. which is hard not to take as a backhanded formation of wording, and the guitar thing...

Do you NOT get that I perceived the name Maryanne as a result of what I described, and then received validation by the woman in question ?????

I am realizing more and more how futile much conversation is about these things, and with the time delay of this type of forum, it's fairly retarded ( look up this word " retarded " in the dictionary before you take it as a personal attack if you will )

To be honest with you, I'm pretty sure you won't get what I'm saying now either,you seem to be on a far different plane than myself. I suppose I write this post for everyone, and who knows, maybe someone will understand. A longshot for sure !

OMS, I'll break this down more carefully for you

CAN YOU OFFER ME AUDIO EVIDENCE OF SIMILAR EVP SAMPLES TO WHAT I"VE PRESENTED ? YES OR NO PLEASE !

OMS,

I'm going to only focus on a couple of points with with... you have NEVER directed me to the audio evidence of these other great minds you speak of.. achieving results in itc.. I'm not saying that they are not.. but can you or can you not deliver on this basic request ?

It would be unethical for me to release the names or contact info of individuals I know, who are currently involved with psi experiments w/out their express permission.

Also, as mentioned they have no intention of getting involved with others' projects (like yours) at this time. So my hands are tied.

In the end you will either believe or choose not to believe, that there are many others (besides yourself) who claim to be - or really are - getting very noteworthy ITC/EVP results ... people who - unlike you - simply aren't making their results public yet.

What you choose to believe is entirely up to you Brian.

I am here to wrap this up if possible... OMS, don't worry about my request of you... I tried that already.. it's really not important to me to push the issue. I've got way too much work to do outside of potential ITC..... Maybe some of you will hear from me again.... who knows ?

I am working to find ways to connect with realistic projects to test what I am tapping into.. as far as coming to an agreement in a " community " sense... GOOD LUCK !!!!!!! ... way too much ego, way too much ridgid and limited thinking, and also way too much casual approach for entertainment that seems to be quite ineffectual as far as realizing any potent results... etc. etc., but hey, I wish everyone a good time in what they care about doing, but don't even bother trying to bind me up in all that... I do my best work free of the distraction to, and assault on my intense focus !

I've got a couple things going, but trying to enlist people to participate in ITC experiments or animal verbal communication as witnesses, is a bit like variable episodes of the Twilight Zone when it comes to the rejection and resistence. I am still approaching this in an ongoing sense, but it sure has its trials. I realize this post is quite limited, but I am sure, even if I wrote a novel here, most people would not understand what I am saying... I base this perception on many years of serious observation.

Like I said, maybe someday I'll be in a postion of having the luxury of a serious platform and genuine opportunities to speak my mind, to also be able to present some amazing evidence. For now, I am pushing the envelope of more traditional labor... and how ! I will offer this one clue for you all now... my personal interdimensional connection is growing.. and it don't come easy !!!

Goodbye and best wishes!

Brian

[b]I am here to wrap this up if possible... OMS, don't worry about my request of you... I tried that already.. it's really not important to me to push the issue. I've got way too much work to do outside of potential ITC..... Maybe some of you will hear from me again.... who knows ?[/b]

Oh, oops I missed this post. Ok, you know what, bottom line is I wish you all the best. I don't pretend to agree w your approach, but I can respect the passion you have for what you do.