Brian Jones - Another Opinion

Hey OMS, I hope you don't mind me calling you stupid. Are you yet another keyboard quarterback ? I'm going to be brief, I've actually got real work to do, but I happened to find your somewhat ignorant smug post here, so I figured I'd offer you a little mentality that might give you a little cause to check yourself...

I've already called you stupid, so I suppose I'll relax on that a little. Here's a question for you ... if you think you've got some valid input on my work, why haven't you contacted me to discuss this... ? ADHD/... yeah idiot, don't let the Mc Donald's french fries outsmart you. As far as the " Maryanne " evp.. didn't you get the point that the woman validated this secondarily.. Oh that's right, I'm fooling people in your mind. No my friend, you ARE a fool in your mind ! From what I've assessed from your freewill textual expression, I'm reading that you have a definite lack in your honorable contribution to the world. See if you can rectify this, it's probably not too late, but I guess it's not a matter of time, more to the point of content.

I'm not looking for the waste of a flame war here, but you really ought to consider being something other than what you are currently.

In my opinion !

Oh yeah.. what do you offer the world, other than opinions ??

I'd like to know !

I hear my name as Brian J. !

No, I don't mind you name calling as it's plain it's simply a distraction from responding directly to almost all the q's and concerns I raised. Nor am I interested in reciprocating the flames.

Your on-air comment made it appear like you might have an interest in some disciplined research that could potentially lead to a breakthrough. It would be great to see any of us work toward a breakthrough in EVP. My intuition was that you are gifted w/a strong tendency toward audio-matrixing, which can be remedied by stricter research standards. Yes, now I see the remark about ADHD could have been left out and yes, it did sound smug as I re-read it now. So for that comment I do apologize.

To answer your q's: I haven't contacted you via email as there was no obvious way to contact you. There was no contact info on this site, scoured the internet, even searching the AA-EVP archives. No contact info, just as you stated to your radio audience. So this seemed the only available avenue of expression.

No, my thoughts are not that you are a fool. Just found some of your approach problematic (as described). It would be good to see you display your next batch of EVPs on a show, introducing them w/out giving your interpretation first. It's a common mistake, just IMO.

Now you ask what I offer the world, as if what I do or don't do has a direct impact on the validity of the q's and concerns I raised w/you. But I'll bite: Suffice it to say I do research (amongst other things) and am doing my best to make an "honorable contribution", as you call it, by imploring the same strict standards for EVP research (in particular) that I recommended for you in the aforementioned post. Hope when you've calmed down some, you might consider some of the advice and points I raised.

Good day and good luck w all your EVP efforts.

...stay away from Brian J...

thanks OMS for the last reply.. I gave you a hard time on purpose.. your last reply is well received ! Believe me, I take a lot of crap as far as I can tell.. we all have opinions, and we all ought to be defined by our collective learning experience,and even more importantly, which is something I think you were pointing out, our ability to articulate such. Although, who is it attempting calculated definition,... infinite variables of students of learning experience.

I've got lightyears to go. OMS, I'd be quite willing to have a direct correspondence with you.. I won't dodge any of your comments, questions or concerns ! I just want you to know, you pretty much seemed to be expressing yourself in ways that I initially perceived were based on assumption and suspicious accusation. I really can't blame you, there without a doubt, are far too many deceptive souls in our world, and I am on my guard constantly as well !

OMS, and others as well, you are welcome to contact me at triumphroar@hotmail.com... ( not bragging with this address ), I just was grasping at spontaneous ID's, and my British sportcar's loud exhaust popped into my mind ! Oh and Gerry Bacon, thanks for running defense for me, I might be wanting to lean on you this way from time to time... you know, there are a lot of dummies out here, and they can really bring one down if they get through. keep snarling for me !And one last thing. if anyone wants to attack me with text, try not to, I'd rather not have to bother with toxic poetry.. even though I do believe I have a flair for it !

Peace
Brian J.

I'd like to say a few things here with less reaction than I did a couple days ago. I have worked myself to great limits with applying myself to pushing things with audio connection and somewhat radical approach to experimentation. Literally putting so many of my own needs secondary for nearly ten years now. During this time, I've literally aproached hundreds of people in positions of study or profession that I would have thought would be eager to witness and check what I've been achieving... pretty much about 999 % of these people were of the " no reply " group.

OMS you stated how important it is for what I am doing to be tested.. yeah, I agree... I've only been trying for years to get someone qualified to do so. How about this, you put some effort into arranging this ???? No, I won't be spending money on air fare or such.. you figure out how to make this happen in a real sense. I've invested Thousands of dollars, thousands of hours of hard experimental work. Probably by now, a few thousand encounters with people who've offered me rejection of even hearing what I am documenting, many times with denial of the rejection itself.

Many professors of the ultimate importance of ITC being validated and advanced, have so consistently shown me by their actions, to seem like they are somehow threatened by sharing a stage with me, or even offering me any assistance. I've written ScottL in the past couple of days, and let him know that things have even been unfolding more in the past month than ever before. ScottL has not confirmed anything yet, but maybe we will do another show in a month or so..? If so, I promise, this time I will be more serious about what I am about with ITC, and I intend to get a few things off my chest ( politely yet directly ) !

I will state a little here now, so maybe some of you will get this. When I got into studying what David Oates calls reverse speech, which was the initial point of my audio exploration.. and carefully and studiously finding it personally very real, very valuable, yet VERY rejected by MOST people, I knew I was in for a challenge ! I just had no idea how off the charts this would prove to be. I wasted too much time early on, joining in on internet site forums with other " reverse speech " enthusiasts, who seemed fine with spending weeks or months conducting studies of posted samples, to see what people would hear of a given sample.. In my perceptions, people hear things differently, and there was no way I was going to spend my time chasing my tail for social reasons, pissing in the wind, and endlessly spinning out on that.

I got it fairly quickly ! For the most part, it has been clear to me, that in trying to interact with others on ITC, I was being held back. Let me ask you all this, can someone offer me a source of audio samples that are similar or more potent than the levels I've been documenting ? I am NOT writing this in the state of smugness or bragging, I am honestly asking. I've heard some impressive samples of evp, but I have not heard samples that seem to imply such direct interruptive or interactive mannerisms.

So, please SHOW ME some action folks, I've only asked for two pretty simple things here.... please post your input right here, so this will be accessible by others. Like I said, if I do another show with ScottL and Doug, I fully intend to address as many of the comments I've read on this forum, regarding people's thoughts, opinions, and suggestions regarding what they say about myself and the samples I've shared. Let me just say this as well, and I am not wanting this to be taken as a harsh statement..

I realize that sterile text leaves a lot to the personal imagination... I am VERY tired of people offering things that do not help me. I suppose the fact that I've spent thousands of hours over nearly ten years, pushing myself, adding MUCH stress to my life in doing so.. neglecting and abusing my own basic needs to make the commitment to produce this time and effort, driven by the admitted manic mind... but deeply believing that if noteworthy results were realized, this was an honorable and important effort and contribution. I really am not concerned if many of you get this.. but I sure wish someone significantly helpful would. It's not like I haven't asked for help too many times to count. This may be convenient entertainment for many people, but that's a tiny fraction of what my interest has been for a long time !

Alright, I suppose we could correspond here forever.. and I see that some people thrive on this activity... good for them.. seriously... it very often is a great expression of intellect.. it just is not something I am going to be much a part of. I'll just close with this, I do have moods... I have some amazing moods, and some amazing moments of works.... I realize this isn't the only way it has to be, but I am going with the notion that I may be be very unusual, but I am facilitating very unusual results in ITC.. why don't some of you consider throwing a little credit in with the judgement ? BTW, I have received praise as well... so thanks all !

I hope you realize I am working to be nice as well as annoyed !

Brian

Ok Brian, thanks for the apology (below), although I admit it's confusing because you also said you "gave me a hard time on purpose" for my last response. Still, I do recognize my tendency toward being very critical. You are right that ppl (including me) could probably stand to go easier and offset the criticism w/more positives.

I can consider the conflict above, water under the bridge. Right now I'm wrapped up in my own EVP project BUT, if you're up to it, I can try and offer you some solid ideas about furthering your work, here on this thread. No condescending critiques, just ideas that you can take or leave. It would be w/the understanding that it's just my opinion and not a personal attack on someone else's method. Just my own ideas that may differ from other ppl involved in psi ;) ... I just have a touch of personal advice first, which I present warmly, as someone who has struggled w/moods too at times:

Brian you are gifted w a lot of creative - and probably psychic - energy. It's hard for me to believe someone would spend as much time w/EVP as you, if they were faking it. I don't believe you're faking the ability to pick up EVP.

But, having dealt w mood issues myself, I'm concerned about how the mania is affecting you & your work. I remember this what this was like. It's a double-edged sword right?? Here you are w/all this energy to do stuff, but the same energy makes you edgy or explosive at times, and at other xs it's a source of non-stop inspiration - is that how it feels for you? I tried many things to get it under control for myself and in the end I got tired enough that I reluctantly tried medicine and it's like night and day. Am still "myself", just don't have the severe moods and that racing thing that seems good but is really taxing on the mind and body. Just chose a low dose is all. That's just a thought for you to put into your pipe to smoke; to just ponder. Cause I believe it might improve how you approach your work,and your productivity! Also, having our problem, sometimes we can't see how our intensity and moods are coming across to people we're trying to gain support from in the professional arena. Or speaking for myself, I didn't realize how I was coming across to people until after I'd gotten a little help - and some well-needed - relief. Gosh it got so freakin tiring. But who knows how much of this is causing you to get turned down by professional contacts right? Ok. That's just IMO. Switching gears ...

As for EVP research and validating your findings: My opinion is that if you take a class or two on research, or maybe spend some time asking q's about it from ppl in the field, you'd spend less time & energy feeling like you're spinning your wheels. You already have 90% of what you need!: Profound dedication and motivation. And of course, the ability to pick up all that EVP. You only need to apply some of the more boring, straight-laced methods to your evidence.

Ok well I'll create a new thread to post some feedback about validating evidence, in case you or anyone would like some ideas on how to try and better validate your work. Please anyone who has better ideas - including you Brian - chime in. Hopefully others will feel free to critically approach my suggestions if they feel there's something they'd improve on. Thanks ...

hello again,

reading your post OMS, I can see plainly how decent and great you are at offering clear and caring advice. Oh first, I'd like to address your comment about being confused about me saying that I'd given you a hard time on purpose... what I meant by that, is at the moment of writing that first over reactive reply, I clearly understood that I was slamming you, as opposed to coming off as if I was oblivious to doing so... as I said later, I regretted this, because I realized it was not something you really deserved to be hit with.

As far as taking some type of medication/s to deal with the chemical embalances that cause me so much trouble in this world, I spent years trying many different types.. nothing worked. I've also realized that at the times when I was lucky enough to be a little ahead financially, and I could afford to live around my bizzarre anti sleep patterns, I just rode it out, and was able to perform impressive things that a handful of people actually were impressed highly with. You know what's funny, even in times when I've been in noticeably manic and irritable states, due to accumulated stress by not being able to afford the luxery of being able to operate on my schedule, animals and young children who normally trust no one, would express great trust in me, often times causing the jaw to drop on their parents or caregivers.

It is very tiring believe me... in the past few days, I've averaged about 45 minutes of sleep per 24 hours, had to work 9 to 12 hours each day feeling trashed. Yesterday, I tried to take a nap...no luck... I get too tired to sleep, and it blows my mind how much of this I've actually lived through, but now that I'm 44 Y.O., it's taking a more severe toll on my being. Right now, after days of this stumbling along to survive on a severe scale, I just woke up for the 12th time during my two hour window of restless sleep,here I am, wound up enough to write this long post. I've lived this forever, and I must make a point to completely realize, others are NOT going to understand.

Here's my new approach, I'm going to try much harder to save myself from this as best I can. I am going to make it my priority to re-direct my efforts to take care of myself. I may have to forget ITC in the process, I may not be able to afford both, but I tried my best to for years. I found without a doubt that in order to build up my connection with the voices, I would have to put in major amounts of time and energy.. I believed it was worth it for years, even though it was trashing my life in other areas to do so. Once again, I was under the impression I was obtaining results that might gain notice with someone eventually that would contact me with some form of tangible support to some degree, to atleast take some of the burden off my shoulders, out of a strong interest in seeing this advance even further.

I've come to realize this is NOT worth it to me any longer. I've realized every point you made for years, I've been quite up front with these aspects with many people that I've approached, thinking someone might truly understand what I was saying. I'm sure my words are not getting my point across here either. Let me try to be as clear as I can right now... I am done asking for help from people in my most honest approach. I've done this countless times, and I must stop. If I have to force myself to let the ITC go away in the process of spending my time taking care of myself to a standard level.. I'll have to accept that.

If nothing else, I've offered people a couple glimpses of what I've done. I also want to say, I think I'll avoid participating in forums after this.. maybe reply as I am here, or other places when I find people commenting on me or my offerings of the past... I'll make a point of being cool, even if I have to respond to someone who seems to be coming off as snide...

Thanks again OMS, like I said, I can see that you're a pretty OK soul!

Brian

PS : I'm going to go and try to get the other half hour of sleep before work !

Hello again people,

I've been thinking about the level of stress I've put upon myself for nearly a decade.. the insurmountable resistence I thought might have a crack in it somewhere, if I just kept at it bulldoggishly beyond vigorously.... it has not happened, and I've come to realize it's not worth the futility any longer. I've kept myself going, thinking that something would give, and things would flow finally. I actually did back off by about fifty percent for the better part of three years about five years into all this, just to ease up on the friction, thinking that my extreme frustration was getting in the way.. what I found, was that my momentum and very gradually built up saturated field of connection, which took an enormous amount of very hard time and effort to build up over a period of years, was deminishing, and no measurably supportive inquiry during this period ever occured.

I finally dedided that I would not let that happen, and got back to pushing myself extremely hard again. I also once again actively tried to find ouside people to assist... this has not come close even once to date, even though I've tried hundreds and hundreds of times, often with people who claim to highly value these things. I've had a few offers of advice,mild feedback, people that were willing to spend an hour or so, once in a while when it was convenient casually participating in recording sessions.. so this never was even in the same realm with actually being useful. Good intentions for sure, and personalities a lot more laid back and pleasant than mine's been for a long while, but insignificant in adding any real assitance just the same. I realize a lot of people are wise enough to take a gradual approach to ITC, that's never been my direction.

The reason why, is I very much was driven to perceive that if great scientific and engineering minds could put such efforts into this, yet produce such vague and obscure results, then my only shot with my technical and financial limitations, was to rely on over the top dedication, determination, in the direction of a logic defying approach, which I've been somewhat directed to by many very strong personal experiences.. some which have been witnessed secondarily, not to mention, the origins of the voices are pretty much explained by theory as far as I can tell at this point.

Well, sorry to be so wordy here, I'd like to apologize to a few of you for biting your heads off.... I was really over reacting to years of many very expensively unpleasant experiences with misleading people,whom I remember vividly, as many of them wasted many many hours of my time, and added insult with dishonest communication through some projects, most often with selfish dismissal because they did not want my work presented near theirs. You all have every right to voice or text your opinions, I can be quite cool and clear at offering mine in relation when I'm not overtaxed. I have come to see many times, many great things never would have been accomplished , if they were not done in feverish fashion. Like I said, I've heard the logical and well meant friendly advice of mellowing out and taking it slower, relaxing etc... by many very nice people.

I came to realize that especially with my limited resources, that the chance of achieving anything significant in this field, was going to be an all or nothing endeavor, and I've pushed myself beyond belief, feeling an inner voice telling me that the time to relax, would be when an unmistakable foothold had occurred in the form of being noticed by someone who could help me gain some sort of funding or technical support, or even notable credit.

I'd say at this point,in the fork in the road of all or nothing, I'm leaning towards nothing as things have played out, because I am through with what the stress of all on myself has been doing to me for years, and I see no shift in sight! I don't want to discount the many kind words by people who have offered verbal expression of support and appreciation.. so I thank these people !

Thanks also for taking the time to read this !

Sincerely, Brian

Brian. I have some strong thoughts about your situation. Some of it already talked about. Again it's just a few things to consider, in the context of all your options.

Actually, it's obvious to me you are struggling w burn out. Can understand how you'd be very frustrated, w all the time and energy you've spent on EVP. My take on it is that extremely creative people like you are also very emotionally sensitive people, w or w/out some sort of formal diagnosis. And since EVP is considered on the "fringe" of what is considered a "normal" involvement, it's doubly easy to see how you might be extra vulnerable to burn out. You're putting yourself in a very vulnerable position, as I'm sure you know ... just by the mere mention of EVP. It takes a tough skin to put ourselves out there. It can be a hard calling (I know lol). So being sensitive can make it that much more uncomfortable and frustrating at times. As you obviously know, there's a whole buttload of rejection to be endured from most "mainstream" intellectuals, and others. I firmly believe one way to help buffer this is:

STOP waiting for others to discover you. Just stop.

My suggestion to you is to gain the expertise, direction and prestige for yourself, that you've looked for from others. My guess is you could become more grounded by learning to be your own expert, using powerful research methods. Research experience gives a person a strong compass and a experimental "map" that can lead to serious breakthroughs that can't be easily ignored. In this way you could spend less energy and become more focused. I think education is key, even if you have some contempt for some of the scientific community (understandably LOL). You will find others of like mind in these academic circles, and it will be an EXCELLENT means of networking.

Sorry you've had such a hard time getting medical help. Wish I knew how you approached the situation, and what drugs you tried. There should be at least one med that can at least take the edge off - even if it means taking a tranquilizer intermittently or routinely for your extreme insomnia (which adds to a sense of despair and frustration). If I were you I would not give up the search for help for your health. Seriously. Anyways ...

Have you read any of my posts under the thread about EVP protocol yet? Is it just not resonating w you? What are your thoughts, pos. or neg. please? Is there one of those methods you've used? Or ... just wondering.

I had posted a similar notice of departing from this forum a couple of days ago.. it seems to have been removed..... I think I can guess why..? Anyway, I am done with this drawn out exchange.. OMS, I asked one main question of you posts ago, wanting you to point me in the direction of someone who was achieving similar directly interactive and often interruptive evp as what I've been documenting ( which refer to me by name etc. ) and I'd expect to HEAR samples of this ! .. it never was addressed.. it doesn't matter, I really don't care any longer on that issue.

I did glance through your evp protocol listings... I've heard it all before... it's not that I didn't read it or notice it, but it's NOT what I am doing purposely ! I have been saying as plainly as I can for years, IT'S NOT WHAT I HAVE BEEN AIMING AT ! .... on top of that, I have been telling people what I am aiming at ! I have not been looking for " others " to validate me.. I've been seeking someone intellectually present enough to help me apply my talents to realistic challenges.. so your comment of " Just Stop " is not only misinformed, but I kind of find it somewhat ignorant on your part.. don't worry, I'm used to it.

I've finally figured out how collectively chronic the situation is that I was trying to get through or around to actually get some serious, definitive and result producing work accomplished ( MY style of work ) , and I am finally done with putting myself through this.. I'll explain further on the 27th with Doug and ScottL... I invited you to contact me at my hotmail address.. others as well.. not a single taker so far. The invitation is still open, but I won't be back here again ! Thanks again for your efforts here.. best of luck !

One last thing.. I WANT TO BE CLEAR ON THIS - IF NO ONE GETS THIS - I CAN'T HELP THAT ! I'm not looking to join any club, or be some sort of rep. for other people's ideas and notions about what they think evp is or means, you'll have to take that up with willing participants.. I'm not one of them !

Brian J.

This is a most bizarre thread. I skimmed it and now my head aches.

Just to be clear, though, we do not pull anything out of the forums with the single exception of spam. When spammers create a profile and start pimping their enlargement mechanisms and the like we remove their posts and their profile...so if you still can log in to the forums none of your posts were removed by us.

~~==- Doug -==~~
Skype: gtdoug
Phone: +1 (248) 841-4957
co-host, Ghostly Talk
panelist, Paranormal Minds
fan of everything Indie

Trust me, my head aches too heheh. Made the mistake of starting (and continuing) a useless thread. Oh well ...

I see that once again I was attacked for my well-meaning advice. That's unfortunate. But you've taught me a valuable lesson:

I must stop trying so hard to reach out to certain people who are clearly comfortable being & remaining stuck. And addicted to complaining about being stuck. People who genuinely want balance and success don't spend years spinning in circles, crying "poor me" and being verbally abusive to others, ungratefully & aggressively demanding what form of help they'll accept or reject. You also need to offer something in return. You are not the only one getting allegedly radical EVP results.

The likely reason you aren't receiving email responses to your "invitation" for someone to help you, is that your attitude is ungracious and anti-social. For anyone to help you, you need to first earn and retain the person's respect & trust. W/your present attitude it's uncertain how you'll establish a working rapport w anyone for any reasonable length of time. You're an emotional liability & potentially harmful to someone's professional reputation.

And why should anyone help you when you insist on living w compromised physical and mental health? Folks aren't real interested in serious collaboration w someone who's anti-social, mentally ill and pathologically angry and defensive. It's not enough that you say "Well this is just me, I apologize". No, it keeps happening. You hammer away at ppl again, the minute the apology has left your mouth.

Can you see how no one in his right mind would contact you for anything, after reading your abusive commentary on this thread? That is what kept me from emailing you. Better to keep you at a cordial distance because you come across as a loose cannon.

I truly believe your only real hope is to get your overall health back on track and be less rigidly demanding of everyone. The alternative is for you to become or remain embittered, alone and unaccomplished. And to grow old far too quickly.

Good luck w your up-n-coming radio show.